if you go back to the last two booms we had, the clinton and reagan boom when there was huge demand for oil, the price was nowhere near it is now. it's obama's week dollar that has driven up the price of oil. >> we may be energy independent, austan. that's the kie keye point i'm trying to make. let me move on to the infrastructure. he wants another $50 billion of infrastructure. nobody is against infrastructure but anybody up on the hill says there should be long-term planning so we can do it efficiently. >> i agree with that. >> he has put so much extra money that never was shovel ready. you've heard that line, he used it himself, and here, too, i got to say to you all this government money, if it was going to jump the economy, why hasn't it jumped the economy? if it was going to work up till now, why hasn't it worked? infrastructure, he's going to have housing credits again. we've done all this. we've done all this. >> let's do it one at a itime. >> i don't like the government planning. i like free market resources. >> neither do i. in the case of infrastructure, the president has rep